tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5777454663138389757.post8803771283286416028..comments2023-08-20T05:06:10.517-04:00Comments on The Year in Pictures: An Open Letter to Shepard Fairey*The Year in Pictureshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03523797971986864363noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5777454663138389757.post-73551379441080068922009-04-27T22:07:00.000-04:002009-04-27T22:07:00.000-04:00When I first saw Fairey's poster I thought it was ...When I first saw Fairey's poster I thought it was great + he was the artist of an original piece of work. Well no,it was based on a photo..pretty easy to do on photoshop etc. FINE at least give the photographer credit including financial renumeration!If Garcia did not shoot the image,Fairey would not have had a piece to alter. Thanks for keeping the issue alive. Lizlizballerhttp://www.lizballer.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5777454663138389757.post-53293776990113324632009-04-15T22:10:00.000-04:002009-04-15T22:10:00.000-04:00I have to, first of all, that I (rather) disagree ...I have to, first of all, that I (rather) disagree with your first point. I find his work a bit childish, but the only thing worse is his behavior. Give credit where credit is due. If he would have followed this advice, I doubt there would have been legal action.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5777454663138389757.post-27880282262494063752009-04-14T19:37:00.000-04:002009-04-14T19:37:00.000-04:00"My issue was why Mannie wasn’t credited and why y..."My issue was why Mannie wasn’t credited and why you wouldn’t feel some obligation on an ethical level to acknowledge and recompense Mannie, artist to artist."<br /><br />you lost me at "recompense". this is being argued as an issue of fair use. by definition that means fairey would not need to recompense mannie. i don't understand why fairey didn't credit mannie, but if fair use applies then he was under no obligation to pay him anything. <br /><br />i don't believe you can on the one hand call for accuracy on his part with regard to the photo being used, but then disregard the very real and ethical aspect of fair use he is claiming - which you ostensibly support in saying you believe his work to be transformative.<br /><br />i believe defining "ethical" and "fair-use" as separate approaches to this issue is damaging and dangerous.deepstructurehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07583913547299709213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5777454663138389757.post-22660346905477318382009-04-14T09:25:00.000-04:002009-04-14T09:25:00.000-04:00You are completely correct. It's the principle of ...You are completely correct. It's the principle of the whole thing..... courteous behaviour must become the norm, there is far too little of it these days.<br />Susan from CanadaSusan Whishawhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16485139269169793812noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5777454663138389757.post-73498002365577779872009-04-13T14:07:00.000-04:002009-04-13T14:07:00.000-04:00I just asked myself, what is it with the Warhols? ...I just asked myself, what is it with the Warhols? Did Warhol credit the Photographers?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04813884048913567803noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5777454663138389757.post-27795005344989567542009-04-11T10:44:00.000-04:002009-04-11T10:44:00.000-04:00You're really full of hot air Mr. Danziger. Artist...You're really full of hot air Mr. Danziger. Artists have been using the work of others for inspiration and as a starting point for their own work for millenia and there is no reason for them to change how they do the work just for you. <BR/><BR/>The only obligation an Artist has is to produce the work, everything else is up to the viewer.<BR/>JVKJVKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11419109155950050879noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5777454663138389757.post-59800087155737166352009-04-11T05:44:00.000-04:002009-04-11T05:44:00.000-04:00The composite that lines up identically actually l...The composite that lines up identically actually looks great as a work in itself. Someone figure out a way to sell that!<BR/>Michael WAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5777454663138389757.post-60965582888470387572009-04-10T12:44:00.000-04:002009-04-10T12:44:00.000-04:00I agree completely with your position.However, I d...I agree completely with your position.<BR/><BR/>However, I do feel Fairey makes a point that is at least interesting. Without his appropriation of the work, Garcia's original photo would be worth next to nothing. Now you're selling it for $1200. And there's nothing wrong with that.<BR/><BR/>But I think it's at least an interesting twist in the whole drama that you have been instrumental in creating through this blog and your gallery. Perhaps it provides some "hope" for those artists whose work has been appropriated to exploit the appropriation for their benefit?james griffioenhttp://www.jamesgriffioen.netnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5777454663138389757.post-33490600871554555492009-04-09T18:28:00.000-04:002009-04-09T18:28:00.000-04:00It may feel like a tired issue to some, but it is,...It may feel like a tired issue to some, but it is, has been, and will continue to be an important issue. Kudos to you James for respectfully continuing to campaign for the just conclusion.Jenniferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13060330705058489120noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5777454663138389757.post-55657021381209314902009-04-09T18:23:00.000-04:002009-04-09T18:23:00.000-04:00It's all pretty obvious from your examples. But th...It's all pretty obvious from your examples. <BR/>But this case also shows how little people care how they use photographers images.. Not buying, giving a byline or even asking the photographer. It's all pretty sad..Martinhttp://www.martinbrink.senoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5777454663138389757.post-15549909793049233072009-04-09T16:26:00.000-04:002009-04-09T16:26:00.000-04:00You're right, JD, this is shaping up to be an impo...You're right, JD, this is shaping up to be an important case. The "anonymi" among us will care as soon as an image of theirs is appropriated... but for many folks, no one does care. You download music from Limewire, find a first-run movie on bit-torrent, cheat just a weensie bit on your taxes or papers in school... and i don't mean YOU, i mean US... everyone's out for themselves. Well, most people are, anyway. Don't you feel like a sap sometimes, working for a living while so many others seem to effortlessly have it all?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5777454663138389757.post-10744761320862252922009-04-09T16:13:00.000-04:002009-04-09T16:13:00.000-04:00I think your position is very courageous. You had ...I think your position is very courageous. You had the opportunity to do the opposite : bury Mannie Garcia and just sell the Fairey's work, but you didn't . This is about truth and honesty here, and a lot of people (including me) do care about these values.<BR/><BR/>W.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5777454663138389757.post-19908532591505162392009-04-09T15:54:00.000-04:002009-04-09T15:54:00.000-04:00You tell him James.You tell him James.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5777454663138389757.post-62644442828371682682009-04-09T15:01:00.000-04:002009-04-09T15:01:00.000-04:00Dear Anonymous -This is shaping up to be the defin...Dear Anonymous -<BR/><BR/>This is shaping up to be the defining fair use copyright case of our time. So you may not care (and I did acknowledge that others might also be bored with the story) but many people do care and the implications for photographers and photography are wide-reaching.<BR/><BR/>JDThe Year in Pictureshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03523797971986864363noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5777454663138389757.post-3615906251091010042009-04-09T14:47:00.000-04:002009-04-09T14:47:00.000-04:00Newsflash: NOBODY CARES!!!!!!!!!!!Newsflash: NOBODY CARES!!!!!!!!!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5777454663138389757.post-43562107158108218682009-04-09T13:38:00.000-04:002009-04-09T13:38:00.000-04:00"Unless it is part of your legal strategy – making..."Unless it is part of your legal strategy – making your case based on using a detail of a larger picture rather than the entire picture"<BR/><BR/>Exactly. More "editing" done by Fairey equals a stronger case for Fairey. The closer the original image is to the poster the harder it will be to make the case for fair use.Nathanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08348367059064823873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5777454663138389757.post-35160657071201932532009-04-09T11:18:00.000-04:002009-04-09T11:18:00.000-04:00I agree wholeheartedly with your commentary. A sim...I agree wholeheartedly with your commentary. A simple recognition of the photographer would be saving a whole bunch of money being wasted on legal actions. I hope this isn't the whole the art of painting being seen as more valuable than photography.RubyMelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10007223256996877209noreply@blogger.com